“Mike, I'd say it's a little bit under $3.5 billion in 2025. And again, as Jane mentioned, a lot of work is being put in place to execute on that more efficiently, which is going to help bring that number down in 2026.”

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“in the regulatory environment coming from DC, and I think like everyone, we welcome the proposed changes, including recalibration to center on safety and soundness. For us, we're on track with what we're doing across all the programs, including data. We're focused on getting over the finishing line for our work, and we're looking forward to the transformation expense coming down next year because as we complete the different bodies of work, the associated expense comes off both as a result of the implementation and from the efficiencies that we're gaining. Mike Mayo: And a short follow-up, the transformation expense for 2025, maybe this is for you, Mark, you said it's going to be more than $3 billion, so it was like $3.5 billion, $4 billion, $5 billion kind of range for that? Mark Mason: Mike, I'd say it's a little bit under $3.5 billion in 2025. And again, as Jane mentioned, a lot of work is being put in place to execute on that more efficiently, which is going to help bring that number down in 2026. Operator: Your next question will come from Betsy Graseck with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Betsy Graseck: Hi, good morning. Jane Fraser: Hey, Betsy. Betsy Graseck: Jane, I did just want to understand how you're thinking about the Banamex transaction. I heard all the prepared remarks, and we understand that you prefer to go with the IPO route in ultimate value for shareholders. And I guess I wanted to understand how you're thinking about the timing between the offers that you've received versus the IPO timing that you are planning on executing? And is there a timeframe in mind for ultimate value determination? Thank you. Jane Fraser: Yeah. First off, I just say, look, the 25% stake is a very significant step in our path towards deconsolidation and ultimately a f”